One of the leading voices in ‘Jesus mythicism’, Richard Carrier, joins Justin on the show. He debates his theory that the apostle Paul only believed in a ‘celestial’ spiritual version of Jesus, not a flesh-and-blood man.

Christian apologist Jonathan McLatchie defends the mainstream view, arguing that Paul’s references to Christ, as well as the book of Acts and the Gospels, all provide evidence for a real person.

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