It’s sometimes said that the best way to understands your opponent’s position is to put yourself in their shoes. Justin hosts an unusual edition of the show, in which his Christian and atheist guests swap roles.

Atheist philosopher Michael Ruse defends what he believes are the best arguments for believing in God, while Christian theologian Randal Rauser defends atheism. They discuss the problem of suffering, why there is something rather than nothing, and other evidences for and against Christianity.